Devastating Yet Inconsequential

sex, and a crisis

12 October 2009 · 9 Comments

Joscelin and I spent all day Saturday together, basically having a holiday from life, and then late this afternoon, he came to me, as I watched football, knelt, and let me know that, if I wanted to do anything with him at some point, whatever it might be, he was available.

So a bit later I got some chains and I bound him in a pretty uncomfortable position (wrists and ankles chained behind his back and connected between his legs to a cock ring) and left him on the living room floor at my feet for quite a while, moaning and grunting in discomfort, while I played a video game and watched some more TV.

When I unchained him, we went to my room, where we fucked.  The fucking was intense and awesome – we talked about his helpless position and I hurt his nipples – and then I asked him to distract himself so he could fuck me better without coming, and so I could zone out and just feel the lovely sensation of getting fucked.

At some point it became too much for him and he told me wanted to come, and he begged me to let him come, over and over.  And I said no over and over.  He said that he wanted to disobey me and come anyway, and I told him not to.  (He has never done that.)  He was really unusually frustrated.  When I told him to stop, he protested heartily, even slipping back in at one point.  I think there was some roaring.

I was going to have him fuck me with his fingers while I made myself come with my vibrator, and I usually put nipple clamps on him for that, but when I went to put them on, he begged me not to.  He seemed sincere.

“Why?” I asked.

“It’s not a limit,” he admitted.

“I know,” I said, and put them back down on the table.

He got a little bit upset, distraught maybe, and ended up asking me to put them on him, but I didn’t.  I had my (very explosive) orgasm and then we went into aftercare.

Immediately after lying down he started to cry, and he cried for a long time.  I wanted to hold him tight, but he often doesn’t want to be held in situations like that, so I only touched his arm or head a little bit.  I was keeping myself very calm.

“What are you feeling?” I asked at one point.

“I can’t tell you,” he said.

After a long pause, I said, “If you can’t tell me, it sounds like you should tell me.”

“I can’t tell you yet,” he said.

“OK.”  So I waited.

A long, long, long, and emotional conversation ensued.  When he distracted himself during the fucking, he thought he kind of fell out of headspace, so that he wasn’t where he should have been emotionally to cope with the denial.  And then everything became, for him, a referendum on his submission, and it seemed like I was angry or disappointed a lot of times, even though he didn’t think (as he told me this) that that was true.

“Oh god,” he said at one point.  “You’ll empathize with this.”

“What?”

“I’m thinking about you being angry at me.”

“I’m not.  At all,” I said.

“I know.”

But he was really emotional and distraught.

“I’m going to choose one point on the circle and start there,” he said.  “And when I get to the end” – he traced the circle in the air with his finger – “it’s going to be kind of scary.  But when I start, it’s going to be terrifying.”

“All right,” I said.

I can’t remember the whole circle to distinguish it from the rest of the conversation, but the start, the part that was supposed to be terrifying was something like, “I have always felt there was something missing between us, a deep feeling of partnership that I don’t have with you.  And I had that within two weeks of meeting [his first real girlfriend], and it was why I knew I wanted to spend the rest of my life with her.”

I was able to stay really calm through all of this, and able (amazingly) to remember that he was talking about himself and not about me.

He tensed up some more at one point, crying a little, and said, “I’m thinking about how hurt you’re going to be about this when you stop having to take care of me.”  (He knew, of course, that was I staying ultra-calm because we were in aftercare and I was trying to take care of him.)

“You’re, like, playing over what you’ve said to me and hearing how it sounds?” I guessed.

“Yeah, maybe…something like that.”

Jos has a problem, or the sensation of a problem, that I don’t know what to think about.  It came up today and it comes up very occasionally – maybe twice a year or so in a big way.  It seems to be something like this

  • there is something missing in his feelings towards me
  • he felt that missing thing with the other girlfriend, but maybe just because she was the first one?
  • or maybe it’s that he’s only afraid that if I knew what he felt, it wouldn’t be enough for me
  • but he’s crazy in love with me and deliriously happy being with me
  • or maybe it’s that he is afraid his submissive kind of love is not what I want
  • if I understood the submission and the way he really felt, would it be what I want, or just weird, bad, unwanted?
  • maybe his fear about that is why he doesn’t feel the deep partnership, and if he could relax then he would feel it

That may have been the content of the circle he described.

I don’t know what to think about this.  Nobody has ever loved me the way that he does, truly, and everything I’ve seen from him tells me that it’s everything I need.  Yet when a man tells you there is something missing in his feelings, I think you should listen.  (In general I think you should always listen to emotional bad news, because it’s probably being understated.)

And yet I know he is also, as he puts it, “a guilt bucket,” and inclined to think that whatever he feels is wrong.

“I’ll never regret this.  Any of it,” I said.  And what I meant (which he understood, but you, dear reader, may not) is that, whatever he feels, and however it turns out, it’s been good for me, it’s been wonderful, and there is nothing I could learn about his feelings that would make that not so.

He felt healed by me saying it.

As for the submissive feelings…I do think that Jos has submissive feelings that aren’t the kind I have when I’m submissive, and that are part of his love for me, and that I don’t fully understand.  But every glimmer I see of those feelings attracts and makes me want more and more of them.  I really do not feel there is any cause to worry that Jos has submissive feelings that I would find unwelcome.

Of course, not finding someone’s feelings unwelcome is not enough, is it?  If you tell someone you love them and they say that’s all right with them, you’ll probably be devastated, and so it’s not really enough for me to be just generally down with Jos’s submissive feelings.  But the evidence from our history and the feeling in my heart is that I want and love those feelings, and don’t merely find them acceptable.

I hypothesized to him that one of the feelings he worries about is his feeling of subjugation to me, which is a kind of alienating feeling that is not really intimate in nature – his love towards me as a distant or impersonal (it’s hard to put into words) tormentor.  And I said that he probably thought I would not like that feeling because it is not intimate and loving in the normal way.

He confirmed that he does have that feeling, and he does worry about it in exactly that way.  And I confirmed that I don’t understand that feeling as a form of love, that at best I can understand being willing to be made to feel that way because you love someone.  And I hurt him by saying that, but we both know this honesty is the only path forward.  But hurting him made me cry from pent up emotion over the whole conversation and because, in that moment, the idea of him being hurt through (perceived) rejection of his submissive feelings was just a horrible thing to contemplate.  I never want that.

“We just leveled up,” he said afterwards.

I feel spent, drained, like I spent all day crying.  But I don’t think things are bad or that there was any actual bad news in all of that, and fortunately it is bedtime.

Categories: bad feelings · conversations · drama · femdom · headspace · honesty · love · orgasm control · relationship blather · sex · submission & submissives

9 responses so far ↓

  • Brian // 12 October 2009 at 12:06 pm

    Love shouldn’t be/doesn’t have to be this hard. Sure, sure, we get a distorted view of reality through the blog.

    Two questions: 1) Would you be with Jos if BDSM was taken out of the picture? Are things great outside it?

    2) Do you think these kinds of heavy, tough conversations will continue indefinitely? Do you want them to?

  • devastatingyet // 12 October 2009 at 2:19 pm

    Yeah, I understand what you’re saying, Brian. In answer to your questions:

    1. Some things are great outside of it – we have fantastically compatible ethics and ideas of how to conduct relationships, in ways that are rare; we have a love of math in common in a way that is really enriching and satisfying; we get along great on an everyday level and enjoy a lot of things in common. Other things are not so great – he doesn’t enjoy the outdoors or things like playing tennis enough to actually do them; he doesn’t want to spend as much time together as I do; he is stressed a lot.

    2. Yes, I think they will, and, yes, I kind of think our relationship wouldn’t be the same without them. The day before the events described here, it was my turn to bring up deep emotional upsets and fears, and his turn to listen, answer, and help me out.

  • Brian // 12 October 2009 at 2:45 pm

    All good to hear, actually. Sometimes I get the impression that alls not well, but it’s easy to forget how much else can go on between two people.

    When I read or hear about a relationship, I’m always trying to place the couple on the spectrum between too much fighting and creepy never fighting thanks to rose colored glasses. There’s a sweet spot in the center and it sounds like you’re closer to it than some of your posts let on.

    BDSM kinda changes the scale because really good sex can let fights and other differences be forgiven. It’s a good thing.

  • devastatingyet // 12 October 2009 at 2:50 pm

    Most of our high-drama conversations are not fights, but more like one person having an emotional crisis or something to talk about and the other person listening and being supportive. But we are high-drama for sure.

  • violacious // 12 October 2009 at 4:34 pm

    I had a crisis like Joscelin’s, the first time I spent lots of time hanging out with various other exciting, compatible people who were not my primary partner, soon after we’d moved in together.

    For me, it stemmed from a huge amount of bottled up guilt and unrealistic expectation.

    Thinking about it afterwards I realized that the guilt stemmed from being conditioned to expect that my primary partner should be fully capable of meeting all my needs all the time, and that I should ?value? this relationship by putting absolutely every single one of my emo eggs into its one li’l basket so as not “compromise” it by trying new things, seeing other people or risking change.

    A big part of me was very resistant to the idea that I could (and should) meet some of my needs outside of my main relationship. And because it dismantled the enchanting belief that my dynamic with A. was going to be the fairytale zenith of deep/total/all-inclusive partnership this threatened me—because I know how to do the-whole-self-abnegation-for-someone-else thing; it comes reallly easy to me. Having this realization undermined the prior expectation I had of myself that I should pour all of my self into that one relationship while disregarding any surplus unmet needs of my own, and it was terrifying to transfer all of the responsibility for my own happiness onto my own shoulders.

    But it also gave me permission to date and explore and have fun and to grow. And it turns out that I loooove dating good people and am much better for it, and so is he. It’s not that polyamory was the fix for me, though—it was more that scary realization—the mental paradigm shift.

    Also, that constant alienating feeling of subjugation which replaces all the temporarily intimate warm aftercare fuzzies: that I understand very well. It is incredibly vulnerable-making. It’s like all of the vulnerability of being in romantic love with someone, with none of the certainty that it’s reciprocated. To me, it feels intrinsically unhealthy pretty much all the time. But I have to endure it because it makes teh hot (no one said this would be easy). And teh hot makes me me.

    There’s a lot of important stuff packed into this post: thank you for sharing.

  • devastatingyet // 12 October 2009 at 4:46 pm

    Thanks. And of course, I had to leave a lot out as well, and just include what was (for me) the highlights.

    Some of what I left out was Jos mentioning (not for the first time) Sex Geek’s thing about a leash and a collar being a form of love (something like that), which speaks to him and which he fears doesn’t speak to me. And some dreams about being part of a leather family.

  • violacious // 12 October 2009 at 5:12 pm

    That is a very good post—oh, hey, it’s nice to link to it on National Coming Out Day too.

    I also really like this one striking the balance: the motivations to serve because it separates out all these different potential threads of desire.

    For me, that constancy of dedication/emotional orientation of being in service—really does feel like a form of love, or a form of honour. It’s dangerous that it can be so easily reinforced by (often, self-) neglect.

  • devastatingyet // 12 October 2009 at 5:24 pm

    For me, that constancy of dedication/emotional orientation of being in service—really does feel like a form of love, or a form of honour.

    This I definitely do understand, and cherish (and feel unworthy of receiving).

  • Black Chicks Rule......smoothly // 27 November 2009 at 12:36 pm

    Devastatingyet,
    Give love, adoration, respect and consideration to Joselyn. Enjoy the relationship for as long as it lasts. If it last forever great. If it dosn’t, it seems like the journey you have together has been beautiful and so worth loving him.

    Hence, it sounds like Joselyn has some issues you re not aware of. Maybe emotional and psychological baggage, maybe not. If it is an imbalance, there is nothing you can do to make the relationship complete for him, so just love him up as long as you can. If it is not an embalance, and is simply stretegic passive aggressive behavior, then I have the following suggestion…

    First, BDSM relationships are difficult to sustain when powerplay perminately exist. There is one party who is restricted to the other parties will. Most adults have there own needs, which require more than just physical servicing. I find that at some point subs who are subjigated eventually want to be emansipated. Hence, every slave wants the freedom to be a slave if they so choose. Therefore, consideration, empathy and compassion are important to maintain to keep his “gift of submssion”. The reality is that submission can be taken away. Therefore, in your case, when your man is so horney he is about to burst, and he asks to cum while fucking, think about having mercy and allowing him to cum. In reality, a slave is just a slave to your needs, but not at the expense of all of his needs. Why break him for no reason? If he has been so good to you, and you have multiple orgasms per day, then why selfishly deny his impending eruption when you see him falling apart.

    Secondly, it sounds to me he was being passive aggressive in his explination for his emotional breakdown. To avoid a revolt, maybe consider some of his needs as apart of your own.

    The dynamic of D/s relationships change overtime. When the sub feels subjigated and abused, the relationship can transform to a S/d relationship. The dom is so happy because most of the dom’s needs are being met, because the sub is so cosiderate of the doms needs. Yet, over time, if the sub doesn’t feel their needs are met then the puppet becomes the puppeteer. The reason is that the dom becomes dependant on the love and adoration of the sub. If the dom dosn’t consider the subs needs, the sub will eventually revolt and possibly abondon the dom by conveniently moving on. Many times the sub dosn’t adequately articulate that they maybe planning to move on. At the sametime, th dom can be so full of their own needs that they are shocked when the sub eventually informs the dom of the intent to move on. By then it’s to late.

    One way to curtail a revolt is to become more considerate of the needs of your partner. Respect the safeword and be compassionate and understanding to your parnters fears, sl that you may build geniun trust. Reduce the level of selfishness and learn how the sub ticks. So if he is a guilt bucket, then only share your disappointment when he breaks an aggreed upon rule. Don’t use guilt as a power mechanism. Be forgiving with his shortcomings and lack of performance, as he may be with you. Just as you find that he is not perfect, he too may finds that you are not perfect. The difference is that he is directly trying to please you. Even when he asks you to hurt him, DON’T. Pretend that you are trying to hurt him, but don’t actually try to hurt or break him. By doing so, you are not taking care of your sub well. Unwelcomed breakdowns builds walls of mistrust, suspicion, and fear.

    It appears the pendulim may be turning to S/d, as he has cyptically indicated that he has the same expectations of you to please him. Listen to his cryptic communication so that you may determine what you want. If you want him to be with you forever, then be sensative to what brings him joy, bliss and happiness. The first step could be building trust and giving more consideration. Just has he gives you the gift of submission, you should give him the gift of consideration. Finally, A 24/7 BDSM relationship can erode the soul. A kinked out Vanilla relationship where the substance of the relationship dosn’t revolve around BDSM is more healthy and can last a lot longer.

    Just a thought.
    Best, BCR

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