am I deceiving myself about what I like?

Saturday evening at Thunder brings a pretty long gap between the last workshop and the start of the play party.  (There is a talent show, but we have never gone.)  We dragged ourselves exhaustedly to dinner (a horrible pizza) and then had a nap in the hotel room.

We were both horny afterwards, but ended up having a long talk (followed by Klingon sex).

It’s hard to pick out the salient points of these winding conversations, but one important thing we talked about was my known tendency, in the past, to basically do whatever my partners wanted in bed rather than seek my own pleasure.  This has always worried Joscelin for a lot of reasons, including

  • it’s hard to know whether the stuff we do is really what I want or like,
  • occasionally I realize I’m doing something just to please him and it’s causing me problems and I push back, and
  • there are things we now do regularly, which I claim to enjoy, but in which I had no interest when they were originally proposed, which is suspicious.

One of the curious assertions Jos made in the early part of this conversation was that I didn’t really get anything out of satisfying my partners in earlier relationships, and that I was just doing it out of “compliance” perhaps.

But that’s not actually true.

See, most of my foreplay with partners in ages past consisted of me turning them on.  Their arousal would then turn me on.  This seemed to work better, or at least more reliably (or something), than trying to get them to turn me on directly.  And when I did something like go down on a lover, I was almost always turned on by their response, and felt in control and masterful rather than in any way subservient.  (I didn’t feel dominant, at least not strongly at all, but more like accomplished.  Skilled.  Able to manipulate them.)

I was most definitely not just going along with unenjoyable sex because that’s what my partners wanted to do.

There are at least two ways of looking at this.  One is that I felt like I had to please my partners, and now I [often] feel like my partner has to please me instead, though I still struggle with falling back into the old pattern.  That’s how I’ve tended to hold it.  But you could also say I was always a reaction top and with the partners I had, the most I could do to them was a little foreplay and oral sex and the like, and I made do.

The foreplay I have with Jos isn’t that different from the foreplay I had with previous partners.  Mostly I do stuff to him rather than having him do stuff to me (although, unlike with former partners, I feel free to tell him to do anything I want to me).  The main difference is that I can do whatever I want (within limits).  I can do pleasingly seductive things or I can bite the crap out of him.  Either way I get to feed off of his responses.

Sometimes this makes me feel like my sexuality is defective.  Shouldn’t I rather have things done to me?  Is it bad that I get turned on by doing something that Jos really likes?  Does that make me not really a dom?  What’s the deal?  And then I kind of remind myself how much I like our sex and I find I don’t care as much either way.  I love the vastly increased freedom I have doing this kind of foreplay (and sex in general) with Jos  compared to my previous lovers.

To address the third item above – that I now “claim” to enjoy things that I wasn’t initially interested in – we both talked about the things we do that were always interests of ours, and the things we each do, and love, that we never thought of either as masturbating kids/adolescents or sometimes until we tried them together.  My fantasies never included collars or the whole slavery concept.  Jos’s fantasies never included fucking.  It goes on like that…we’ve both learned to enjoy a lot of cool stuff.

So…that was one thread of the weekend.

11 Responses to am I deceiving myself about what I like?

  1. Why on earth would it make you not really a dom that things Jos really likes turn you on? I’m a dom because I like to dominate my partner, I’m a sadist because I like hurting him – but I don’t, in fact, like hurting him an a way that isn’t at least meta-pleasurable for him. I find it makes no sense at all to accept other, irrelevant, people’s judgement of the genuineness of my ds leanings. I get to judge what I am and how I define it, and so do you, for your sexuality.

  2. I also feel like my sexuality is defective, because I’m always much more inclined to have things done to me than to do them. Hell, this is hard to post because it’s a bit of a strong feeling.

    It’s not for the same reasons you feel the same way, though. I worry I’m just a selfish prick (yep, there go the selfishness worries again).

  3. If we were a bit more relaxed we might notice that the fact that I prefer doing things to you and you prefer having things done to you is, you know, convenient.

  4. So are we only non-defective if we are absolutely indifferent between having a given thing done to us or doing it to another person? Oh, and they have to be the “right” things? Fuck that. I want to say, “Stop agonizing over this! There is nothing wrong! Just enjoy that your preferences are stable and symmetrical and that you aren’t both lying in bed every night thinking, I wish he/she would bite my inner thigh really hard right now.” I guess that would be pretty unhelpful.

  5. Pre-admitting my sexuality, but while I understood that I preferred to be the doer rather than the do-ee I had a lot of this kind of stuff come up for me. I wondered how I was ever going to enjoy having things done to me. It seemed so… boring.

    Then admitting sexuality and searching the internet, it seemed like all the femdom stuff was about having mansubs do things to doms, which confused me mightily.

    I’m beginning to enjoy being a dominant receptive partner as well as a dominant active partner, which I didn’t really think was possible. So. Interesting.

  6. Yes, interesting. I’m a switch and I mostly like to be the do-er as the top, the do-ee as the bottom. I thought I was weird that my “sides” were different. Okay so like, cool.

  7. Sallo, no, I think you are basically right.

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  9. Oh god, I’ve had this entire little merry-go-round in my head for years.

    Like, god, the idea of somebody doing something to me is really not that hot. Okay…but not hot. (Incidentally Ranat, I’m glad I’m not the only one who’s ever thought, “boring!”) I want to be the one doing things.

    But wait, that can’t be right! If I was sexually liberated and everything…that would mean that I would have my own desires, right? And I wouldn’t just get turned on by someone else’s response, right? I should have a “primary” response, right? Gee, I must be broken.

    And then a few weeks ago I thought, you know what, this is fucked. I like provoking arousal in a partner; it makes me feel powerful. That is my own desire, and who gets to say it’s not?

  10. Bean, thanks for articulating that fear better than I did.

    And, Sera, I’m the same as you – a bottom I am all about being done to and I would rather not do a damn thing.

  11. I’m another one who needed to hear this; thank you. I have a little extra baggage on the subject (past relationships where I felt like I couldn’t ask for the things I wanted done to me), so I’m still figuring out to what extent this applies to me (*cough* research!). But it’s nice to be reassured that, if it turns out that I like giving touch and don’t worry too much about getting it, that’s okay too.

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