Alexis had an interesting post (“Stopping“) the other day that I’ve been considering since. He is answering this allegation that I made about him:
Where Alexis bugs me, and reading his blog you’ll see this over and over, is in the assumption that you can’t with integrity stop at some point short of [the complete acquisition of power].
The short answer is: yes, he does feel this way. An excerpt:
I have to think that the will to stop oneself “short” in the lifestyle is somehow similar to that feeling [of choosing not to jump off of a ledge]. A sense that one will lose one’s own character, or perhaps decency. That there are things—even things that we want desperately—that we must NOT want. Which must be resisted, even when the desire is so great that our hands shake from the adrenaline flushing our bodies. For different people those have to be different things.
No one can be the definitive voice on what those things are allowed to be. Yes, I have argued passionately that some things much be embraced for the sake of integrity; for the complete experience of being a dominant, or a submissive. That is because I have often found that the “fear” is based less on self-preservation than it is based on the preservation of someone’s else’s perception of what we should or should not be. Such as, “I can’t do it because I wouldn’t be able to look my mother in the eye ever again.”
Stop short? Yes, if you’re preserving your life. But if you’re merely preserving your prejudices, or some perceived self-respect, you need to examine that very closely…
So I wanted to answer the unasked question, why do Jos and I have limits? Why don’t I push to acquire total power over him?
Sometimes we fantasize mutually about a situation like this: we live in a villa in a warm climate. He wears a locked collar and shackles (and nothing else) at all times. There are bolts everywhere. He has no purpose other than to serve me. The shackles and bolts are so that I can chain him anywhere, anytime, with minimal effort.
It might not be practical to make our lives over to resemble that fantasy, but we could come closer to it than we do now, for sure. Why not?
First, I guess, and leaving aside the question of whether that scenario is really desirable for the moment, is that we also have other priorities. Dominating Jos is not the biggest priority of my life. He too has priorities, like his school and career, that he doesn’t choose to subvert to my pleasure. I respect that; I want to date a full, competent human adult.
If I got to make all of Jos’s decisions (or whichever ones I chose to), it would put a huge responsibility on me. The control itself is appealing, but the responsibility is not. And then I’d be constantly dealing with resistance from him on the choices that I’d made for him. I’d also feel less respect for him, inevitably. None of that appeals to me. (The idea of not being fully respected also holds no appeal for Jos, as far as I’ve been able to determine. Alexis, by contrast, seems to kink for being viewed with some contempt.)
What about safewords? I’ve written before about why we use them, but I have to admit, I am drawn to the idea of not using them. Things that are actual safety concerns (“Mistress, I can’t feel my hand”) could be handled without safewords. Almost anything can be communicated without safewords. Their essential function (the one without which they are meaningless) is to allow Jos to withdraw consent.
A relationship in which Jos couldn’t withdraw consent except by breaking up (or physically escaping, in a scene) would be much harder for me to navigate than our current relationship. I’m not actually all that tough. I like the assurance of mutuality. I like for Jos to have a clean way out so that things do not get really ugly.
And of course I am discussing all of this from my own perspective, but Jos has his own. He gets to decide whether to have safewords or not – I can’t remove his right to have only consensual activities. (I could issue an ultimatum – I won’t be your mistress if you don’t do it my way – but ultimately my only recourse is to leave the relationship, which I’m not interested in doing.)
This idea nauseates Alexis:
The argument that I “give” myself to my Mistress suggests, to me, that I am granting her a boon, that I am somehow this great beneficiary to her and that she should be humbly grateful at this tremendous thing I’m giving her. I know that there are thousands of dominants out there who would argue that this is exactly how it makes them feel. They are so tremendously pleased that this lovely boy has graciously consented to his submission, that they are filled with warmth and happiness to see him on his knees in front of them.
But I do feel exactly that way. It works with my kink and it works with Joscelin’s kink, and I see no reason to fight or change it. I also know that, the more confidently and competently I dominate him, the more he is able to submit to me. The d/s aspect of our relationship doesn’t exceed what we can handle this way. And watching it unfold is simply…lovely and breathtaking.
If I have a completely different view of things in 10 years, I won’t be too surprised, but I’ll also know that I got there honestly through my own processes and experiences.
Through your own processes and experiences is the only way to get there.
Incidentally, I haven’t exactly said that absolute power needs to be the total reduction of anyone’s intellectual capacity. A submissive’s intelligence is just as big an asset as their manly figure. I’m not suggesting it must be destroyed, I’m only suggesting that I can be fully and usefully harnessed.
Thanks for the comments.
Experience has shown that what control over me I want my Mistress to have, I push for.
Just as Alexis cannot with integrity stop short of what he needs, I cannot with integrity push farther than I can.
I have a feeling this is going to make Alexis want to make a loljos out of you with a caption like “Submission…yer doin’ it wrong.”
Now, now…
Dev,
I suppose I join you and the other “thousands’ of Dominants who also feel great honor and love when they see their ‘property’ kneeling before them. I certainly feel that way whenever Paladin is striving to complete a task that is difficult, or giving up his control to Me when he would never do it for anyone else. Nor would I ever push him someplace that I simply know he would not go, just as you would not push your Jos. I can stretch him.. little by little just as one might stretch anything they wanted to grow past it’s own limits. Like a bonsai tree, being trained to grow a certain way. I have no desire to break the branch, only mold it the way I desire.
Short of literally chaining someone up against their will, submission IS a cooperative gift. There are the practical reasons.. the difference in our strength and body mass. Paladin is taller, bigger, stronger then I. We don’t live together, etc, etc, etc. Anytime that Paladin decided to withdraw, he could.
As for limits.. the only limits I would say we have our those that are bound by our love and trust of each other. I would never damage him, for I find no attraction nor benefit from that. Yes, he has a safeword.. as do I. However My safe word is not one of stopping, but one of asking him to trust Me.. to allow Me to do something that I know will be safe for him, even if he is not sure that it is. I’ve not had to use it yet, but is is something that we have agreed on. So it is something of a ‘trumping’ of his safe word. He still has the option to reject My safeword if he so desires.
Because of My protection of him, and because of how well matched we are, he has never used his safeword, nor do I really expect him to. I have never felt like I ‘stopped short’ of anything we have ever done, again, that is a matter of our compatibility, and again, it goes back to trust.
We are each in our own orbits in this realm. Each relationship is very very unique. When we are lucky, we learn from each other. I know that I learn all the time from Dev, persephone and all the other blogs that are out there.
I continue to read and learn and incorporate for the betterment of us both.
Thank you again for sharing of yourselves, your thoughts and your relationship.
Mystress
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Authenticity is as authenticity does.
It would be inauthentic in my partnership with my liege to push for “complete acquisition of power”, rendering our relationship at best a lie and at worst a tawdry roleplaying game containing neither genuine me nor genuine him.
What I am is not stopping short of anything: what I am is a dedicated lieutenant, pledged to service and support. He would not value me more with complete control; he would be bothered by the nuisance of managing me, rather than having me be of use.
Fuck “complete experience”. if I’m a clever fake in someone’s eyes because I don’t want to betray myself and my master in some fantasy of what true d/s is supposed to be, so be it; I would rather serve him than be “authentic”.
Damn straight! You said it, Dw3t-Hthr!
I have no idea when “authenticity” became part of the discussion. I suppose when people are threatened the threat takes the form of whatever they are most frightened.
I certainly never made any comments about female subs and their relationships with male doms. That is just right out there on another planet. Again, just go ahead and make up your demons and then demand that others stop conjuring them.
I certainly never made any comments about female subs and their relationships with male doms.
Which has relevance precisely where to what “integrity” is? For what “complete experience” is? I’m not talking about my cunt, and neither asked you to do so nor granted you permission.