submissive men and the myth of male weakness

Richard had a post lately titled “Submissive Men As Prey” which contains the following lines:

It is sad to think of men whose desperation may drive them to marry such a low specimen of womanhood.

And in general one often runs across this idea that men (and specifically, in this context, submissive-oriented men) are “desperate” and that this is what drives the market for prodoms and, in a vanilla context, other women (wannabe trophy wives, etc.) who exploit this weakness.

While finding suitable partners can be vexing for anyone, I’m getting really sick of this idea that men are helpless when it comes to their sexual desires.  Hugo Schwyzer has written a lot about what he calls the “myth of male weakness,” and here’s a pithy summary (from this post):

The myth makes clear that men, particularly younger men, are simply too weak, too vulnerable to testosterone surges and the imperious demands of the Y chromosome to exercise self-control. It’s a degrading understanding of what it means to be male, and it ought to make more men angry and indignant.

Just because men buy dominance from pro doms, internet money doms, doms who will post a picture of your “tiny penis” for a fee, etc., doesn’t mean they are acting out of desperation or that they are being “preyed upon.”  I buy things all the time myself – some wise, some not – and it’s not because I’m helpless.

When I stopped at Wendy’s last night and paid $6 for some unhealthy food despite having perfectly good food I could have warmed up at home, were they exploiting me?  Were they preying on my weakness in desiring their products?  Or was I exploiting those minimum wage workers’ need to live and support their families, using my superior income to force them to slave over a deep fryer?  (My answer: neither.  You may come to a different conclusion.)

And if I wanted to indulge myself in the fantasy that the wage slaves at Wendy’s cared, and made that food especially for me out of loving and nurturing impulses, does that make me a victim?  If there were another fast food chain that explicitly sold that fantasy, and I was willing to pay more money to eat there, would I not be acting as a free agent?

And why is it submissive men who are assumed to be desperate?  Even if you think men really are sexually desperate (which I refuse to buy into), why don’t we talk about the desperation of dominant men?  I’m sure there are plenty out there who haven’t succeeded in finding someone to play with.  But no, doms can’t be desperate.  (And if a dom guy hired a woman to submit to him sexually, I think our view of who was exploiting whom would be a total switcheroo from the pro-dom model.)

I’m not talking about feelings here.  If you feel desperate, fine - I have felt desperate before.  It’s part of life.  I’m talking about a model that begs us to excuse, coddle, feel sorry for, and view you as fundamentally pathetic and weak.  Don’t encourage that bullshit.

6 Responses to submissive men and the myth of male weakness

  1. I am deeply driven and compelled by the hormonal condition of being male. It concerns me, however, that the emotional stereotype associated with this condition is weakness.

    In addition to the hormone testosterone–which is an aggravating chemical that does not contribute to pathos–I’m blessed with adrenaline. What this means is that I, like most men, tend to deal with want and desire by acting directly, even aggressively. Where I restrain myself is in not behaving TOO aggressively. I don’t feel very much inclined to resist my positive sexual urges because, basically, I like sex and I’d like to obtain it.

    However, of course I have been a victim of women who were able to mislead me (lie to me) and give me the sense that they would relate to me, in order to receive favors or my money. It’s life. It happens. I am ultimately responsible for failing to recognize such persons.

    Because I let myself get into those situations does not make me weak, needy or pathetic. I was horny. People often are. Being horny will get me in trouble.

    Last thing…PLEASE, prey on me. I like it.

  2. I have to agree somewhat with Alexis on this. While I don’t think that men are inherently weakened by our sex drive, when it comes down to it I can feel the difference in my self when I haven’t gotten off for a few days. I can feel my eyes falling on every woman I pass, feel my thoughts stripping every person I meet to their primal abilities rather that their intellectual stature. And the entire perspective changes an hour after I’ve gotten off. Suddenly, every sexual or primal urge is muffled, only my thoughts are left.

    It’s the times when a guy (or a girl, just not as often) is in the sexually withheld state that they make idiot decisions for the sake of getting off. Now the most common excuse for these bad decisions is attributed to this “weakness” of the male gender (mostly because most women will forgive weakness). When it comes down to it though, it has a lot more to do with being horny and too greedy to care what the stakes are.

  3. Thanks for the great post. The “desperate” meme comes from the belief that men are just too weak to learn manners or behave like gentlemen instead of entitled brats. It makes me want to vomit.

    Alexis, being a male is not a hormonal condition. Quit setting yourself up to blame your behavior on things you can’t control. Every man on earth has some level of testosterone – and so do women. What makes you different? Adrenaline? Again, common to every human on earth, even tiny babies.

    Being horny doesn’t make a person get into a bad relationship, unless they are willing to suspend their judgment and ignore warning signals. If that was the problem, then men could masturbate and reduce the divorce rate overnight. The problem is that men are socialized into believing that sex fixes everything, and sex with a hot woman fixes everything even faster. Stop playing along with the irresponsibility meme.

    Look, I just finalized my second divorce, but I didn’t pick two bad spouses because of hormones or because I need an orgasm (otherwise masturbation would have been sufficient to dispel the urge to marry). I’m a human and I made bad decisions. I’ve been in therapy to understand why. Trust me, it isn’t hormonal. It’s insulting to say that it is.

    Vanilla, for the first paragraph – yeah, that’s how sex drive works. You have an orgasm and it drops. What does that have to do with picking a partner?

    You are correct that women (and men) are willing to excuse men’s bad behavior because of the common belief that we simply can’t help ourselves when we get horny. It’s total bullshit.

    I had a healthy and active sex life prior to getting married both times. If anything, having sex as often as possible simply helped paper over the problems that should have been a glaring warning. Trust me, in any relationship you will not be having sex much more often than you will be having sex (simple math – 24 hours per day…how many can you possibly have sex?).

    Don’t buy into the lie that our lives are ruled by our penises. If it is true, it is because you have simply allowed it to be true.

  4. @Tomio
    :Like:

    @Alexis – wow, haven’t seen you around in ages. Hope you’ve been well.

  5. Oh dang! I just realized this was from 2008. Hey Tomio – stop messing around on the old posts.

  6. Damn…I guess I can’t put off getting those bifocals any longer.

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