I am not girly. I am not particularly butch at all, but even in early childhood, I resisted girliness, and rankled when my grandmother told me, “Act like a little lady.” Looking through old photo albums, you can see the exact point at which I started to have control over my own clothing – a seemingly instantaneous switch from pretty little dresses and sets to t-shirts and shorts or jeans.
When I wrote the post the other day about not liking to dress up like a dominatrix, I thought of forced feminization, which is how dressing up that way would feel to me.
I had an argument once with a local (non-pro) dom named Mistress Valerie. I was explaining to her about not being girly, and about not liking femininity very much. I told her, for instance, that I own no jewelry at all (which isn’t intentional but, given that I’m 33 and not impoverished, is definitely some kind of revealed preference).
She quizzed me about this, in her abrupt way, and I told her that, in my opinion, femininity is basically a tool that the patriarchy uses to oppress women. As best I can recall, she found my argument ridiculous. She asked me something like, “How can you be a woman and against femininity?” I didn’t belabor the point. (I anger Mistress Valerie in some way or other every time that we meet. I think this was the first time.)
A few minutes later, a guy across the room was talking about how much he loves to be humiliated by being dressed up in women’s panties and such-like. She gave him a well-deserved (I felt at the time) hard time about why, exactly, he considered it humiliating to be like a woman. Are women lesser creatures? What the hell? (This is pretty much the same argument that Bitchy makes in the link above.)
But to the extent that femininity really is a tool of patriarchal oppression, then its use as a humiliation device is perfectly sensible. If you’re turned on by humiliation, then why not be turned on by being made to wear clothing that is uncomfortable, impractical, and designed to emphasize your inferior status?
I’m still not into forced feminization. And I know a lot of women’s clothing is actually soft and comfortable – delicate in a good way. (Jos wore my underwear to bed one time and I was amazed how soft and nice it felt.) And I prefer men who like to wear women’s clothes because they enjoy feeling soft, sensual, and sexy, rather than because they think being like a woman is humiliating.
But I still think guys who are humiliated by femininity are onto something.
Humiliated? By femininity? It is all about the mindset IMO.
If you feel beautiful and sexy by putting on a pair of high heels, or a corset, or lipstick, or whatever – well that’s empowered. And it’s an entirely different ball game than if you are dressing in any fashion specifically to please someone else.
Being “forced” to feminize – either so that you fit the fantasy role that someone thinks is appropriate for a Dominatrix; or if it’s to become the a hairy-chested stumbling in the stilettos sissy – could definitely make someone feel awkward, clumsy… humiliated. When you feel like you are out of your element, it is easy to feel vulnerable. And I can see why someone might be a bit humiliated, or at least feel dis-empowered.
But it’s all up to each individual. With that in mind it’s a personal choice between the player and their partner(s). Obviously not everyone dances to the same drum beat and part of what makes the kinky scene so fascinating to me is how something which makes one person feel awkward makes another one feel powerful.
So, I encourage you to be the Dominatrix you want to be. If you don’t feel more dominant in a leather corset and spike heels, by all means – don’t wear em! Pass em off to someone who wants them! What size waist is that corset btw… ;)
I basically disagree, but at the same time, I am happy for others to enjoy whatever they enjoy. I care way more about people (even near-strangers) than I do about ideology.
Don’t worry, I don’t wear or feel any real pressure to wear fetish attire. And as for my waist size, well, if you’re asking you probably wouldn’t want to know!
This is exactly why the question that always needs asking is “why.” Freaksexual made this point very well in one of his posts quite a few months ago.
I reckon if I had been born a girl I would have been a stunner and probably dressed as sexily as possible, although I would like to think I would have been more classy than street-walker. As it is I was born a mightly impressive male and I doubt finding womens clothes would be easy for me, I mean I am 6ft4 with a 50 inch chest and 36 inch waist and size 13 feet. I never really was attracted to soft and sensual clothing – since 1986, I have been Mr.Monochrome, but I have always liked seeing my girlfriends in attractive lingerie.
I can understand what Aarkey says about being out of your natural element a little humiliating and I really understand why some women would feel insulted that some men regard being treated in a feminine manner as deeply humiliating., that whole thing seems to shout if you really want me to feel like a second-class citizen then treat me like a woman! I notice, though, that a lot of women, including Jones, have no problem in stereotyping men as heroic submissives. I mean I have put myself on the line to rescue an ex-girlfriend and I would like to think I would risk my neck to help anyone if I could, you know drowning child, guy being beaten up by a gang, woman being assulted, that kind of thing. There is, however, no way I would endure suffering just so some girl could have an orgasm!
Weirdly, I have been thinking along these lines too. That, if these clothes are humiliating and used all the time to humiliate women, why not use them to humiliate men? Not that anyone has ever defended forced fem to me with that argument – but if they did I would have taken notice.
I’m pretty sure forced fem almost always isn’t coming from this place. (If they really thought that they would be mortified by domme-drag). But I am also sure it is very complicated. Gender stuff makes my fucking head spin.
One domme that I know wrote that her husband had no kink for femme clothing. Nothing. She “forced” him to put on panties, bras, etc., and he just sat there saying “Yeah? So?” No humiliation, no turn on, no disgust, no nuthin’.
He really didn’t attach any other meaning to the clothing, the way that so many others seem to do.
I’m so new to blogging, I don’t know how to reply to a specific remarks, so I’ll to my best this way
In response to: devastatingyet: Well, we can certainly disagree. The important part of the point to me is if someone feels that way by dressing that way. If you dress that way because you think you are supposed to or that you have to, that’s not the way that I’m approaching it.
And as to your waist size, I’m guessing that my intended joke (discouraging a Dominatrix from corsetting so I can buy her corset for myself) was not communicated well. Here’s what I look like corsetted and in drag. Aarkey’s “corsetboy” gallery
I hope it explains why I don’t feel humiliated to dress in women’s corsets or heels. For me, as a totally heterosexual man (and sometimes switch) wearing women’s clothing makes me feel sexy and empowered.
In response to: maymay who points to Freaksexual’s entry “Your kink does not get a free pass” which discusses the concept that some kinksters feel their kink is above discussion because “it’s okay because it is kink” attitude. One of Freaksexual’s conclusions is: “If a man likes to engage in sissy play specifically because he feels that anything feminine is inherently degrading, then that is a problem.” That is something I do agree with – though I think it’s important to figure out why he finds it “inherently degrading.” Is it possible that it’s degrading to him because it is simply outside “the norm” of society? Is it any more or less degrading than having his head shaved, or wearing two different shoes? Is it humiliating because he has a hairy chest sticking out from his bra? Or is humiliating because – “EEEK A GIRL BRA!!!”
I think to some degree the same concerns that lead us to question why prejudices exist can become prejudicial themselves. I think it is an incorrect assumption that all men who are into “forced feminization” are into it because they find it degrading. Additionally I think that even if a man finds it degrading to assume that he feels that way because of sub-conscious misogyny is incomplete. I’m certain that there are some men who feel that way – much the same way that there are those same kind of knuckle dragging asshats who cheat on their wives to act out the sexual things that they want to – but refuse to do with “the mother of their children” because it would make her dirty.
But to I hope you don’t kick us all to the curb because of a few devolved cretins. I think there are many men who are into forced feminization because they like women’s clothing, it makes them feel sexy – but they’re uncomfortable to admit it because society judges them as “wrong” or “weak.”
It’s taken me a long while to get comfortable with being called a sissy and not taking it as an insult. And FWIW, I’m one of those men who still feels like a man, no matter how my figure looks in a corset, or how my legs look in heels, I’m still a man and totally 100% ok with being a man – and still interested in women. I just think that I look pretty damned hawt in drag, if I may say so myself.
Aarkey, btw, thanks for showing up. I enjoyed reading your blog today.
Many thanks for that devastatingyet, and those “whining” links too – interesting & applicable stuff, I passed it along to my g/f.
And it’s always an extra treat to find we have a mutual friend. Mistress Saskia is someone I have a great deal of appreciation for, and at some point I’m going to have to get off my duff and head out that way. I’m not sure if you are in the same locale as she, but it’s always a treat to expand the circle of friends ;)
BTW – Mistress Saskia gave me my all time favorite role reversal moment. In NYC in June of 03 (04?) we shared a taxi with another friend to G.Central where I had to pickup my train. We got out of the cab and she twirled me around like a little doll and gave me a smooch. The tough NY work crew standing right there repairing the street stopped working and gave a shout of their approval. :D
Definitely reminded me a bit of:
http://www.teacheroz.com/images/kiss.gif
Anywho… that’s enough babble out of me, I have my own blog for babblins’
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