authority & anger
9 October 2007 by devastatingyet
I do not have a clean relationship to anger.
I have two relationships to anger. First, I become irrationally irritable extremely easily, especially with intimate partners. This irritability is rarely justified, and, even when so, is often expressed inappropriately.
And second, it’s very difficult for me to handle legitimate anger. It tends to terrify me when I have cause to be actually angry, and I go to extremes in justifying people’s behavior in order to avoid it. (I really can and do get angry. But when it comes time to express it, I have a hard time. I fear being unfair. I’d rather be wronged than be in the wrong. And having someone angry with me is so hard for me that I find it difficult to inflict that on someone else.)
Near the end of my relationship with my last serious boyfriend, I was angry with him all the time except when he was with me. I would have a pleasant phone conversation with him, then put down the phone and say, out loud, “FUCK YOU.” Yeah, I don’t know what that was about either.
I have always snapped at my boyfriends, and they have always more or less taken it. My last one would tell me to cut it out, and that worked. Others have ignored it, letting it slide off them, like my roommate (with whom I am very close). My experience has always been that the longer I know someone, and the more intimate with them I am, the more irritable I become with them. (I have gotten way, way better at managing this over the years.)
When I snap at Joscelin it freaks him out, a lot.
If I have a legitimate grievance, he wants to respond submissively and be corrected. But when I snap, I don’t usually see myself as having a legitimate grievance, so when he becomes deadly serious and asks me to explain the situation, all I can say is something like, “Never mind. It’s not important.” (And then, when pressed, “No, seriously. You didn’t do anything wrong. I’m just being irritable.”)
So then he suspects me of knowing a way that he could serve me better and simply being unwilling to tell it to him, which is maddeningly frustrating. Is it a lack of trust? Do I not think he can change? Is he not worth training? (I don’t claim he’d think this rationally, but this has to be how it feels.) Am I so uncertain of myself that I cannot exert my will in this way at all?
Neither my sense of fairness nor my sense of what will actually work permits me to say something ridiculous like, “The way you held that bag was not the way I would have held it and whenever you hold a bag you must magically imitate the way it looks in my mind or you’ll be in trouble with me.” (I am a control freak too, but mostly not in the fun way.) So after my initial outburst (likely to sound like something “Can’t you…urrrrr!”) I’m just not willing to do much other than tell him that I was being unreasonable.
We’re both working on this. In the long term, I’m working on identifying things that he really can do that I’ll find pleasing (or refrain from doing, etc.), a power I haven’t had in prior relationships. Ideally, I would correct him where it was something that could be corrected, and behave fairly and pleasantly in other contexts. But I doubt I’ll achieve that ideal, despite my continued attention. (I’ve been working on this for at least 14 years, after all.)
One of the constant obstacles to being submissive to anyone must be that they are sometimes wrong (factually or morally). This is no more or less true for me than for anyone else. I hope that Joscelin and I can improve the way we both cope with these difficult situations.
I have terrible problems with anger at times.
Oddly enough never with lovers. If they are angry I either wait for the storm to pass or conciliate or placate them. I got that from my momma and long thought it a virtue. In my case it often meant I made myself a patsy.
But if I’m near someone who is angry and even if it has nothing to do with me I will simply freak out. When my business partner, there isn’t a nicer guy in the world, is trying to balance the books and is cursing himself I just want to run away and hide.
In D/s anger makes me want to crawl under the floor and beg forgiveness. I can’t even think if the top is right or not. It is like an elemental force and I must placate the goddess so it will go away.
Not that any of the above is of help to you. You know me, I’m just big on comparing, sharing experiences.
Sweet woman,, we all have these inner demons. And if, like you, we are aware of them will will triumph over them. Honestly, I think the only thing to fear is not understanding ourselves.
One of the constant obstacles to being submissive to anyone must be that they are sometimes wrong (factually or morally).
Exactly.
As you know I’m looking again. I don’t need perfection. Were I to find it I’d probably run away and hide from it. But a dominant who can confess that it isn’t always easy, that she can’t always be perfect in every way is the kind of person I can kneel before and adore. The ideal dominant isn’t some fantasy creature but a person who honestly and honorably satisfy complicated and obscure needs.
They / you are all too rare.
I once had a whole IM conversation with Joscelin about whether I was “allowed” to punish him unfairly. I argued that, while I would strive not to do so, and would be open to arguments about it, and would probably realize later that I had been wrong (and feel bad about it), my authority to punish (which, yes, I have, and I realize that rubs some people the wrong way and for other people doesn’t go far enough) is nearly meaningless if I’m required to have his agreement. (Agreement is not the same thing as consent. We all know he can withdraw his consent at any time.)
He was thrilled that I came down on that side of things.
You’re so kind to me, Richard. I want to cavil that dealing with my craziness in real life is harder than just theoretically pondering it on a blog, but the truth is, you’d do fine in real life with me too, I think, at least in that way. I’m actually no crazier than the next person, and considerably more self-aware and self-monitoring than most.
I think Joscelin sometimes fears that I will monitor myself right out of existence. When he does get exposed to my selfishness, he usually wants more, and it’s frustrating that the “better me” blocks access. What he can’t feel is how very much pure unfairness is inside, and why that control is necessary.
Sometimes the answer I want to give to “Tell me how I can serve you better, damn it!” is along the lines of “Don’t ask me to lose my soul for you.” (This is figurative. I’m a straight up plain jane atheist.)
(At the same time, if I really did behave unfairly, he wouldn’t be able to tolerate it much at all; over time it would destroy his trust in me.)
Unfair treatment and anger can be very sexually powerful for men like me. Sure we want you to grab us, use us, ‘abuse’ us. I’ve spent nights barely able to sleep because that is so wonderfully arousing.
But if you want to spend years with each other then you have to learn to make that part of yourself just shut up. However low you feel you want to go there’s still getting up and going to work and doing all sorts of boring things that aren’t sexy.
Pout.
Of all the supportive and observational things I want to say, I must start by quoting Richard:
“But if you want to spend years with each other then you have to learn to make that part of yourself just shut up.”
No no no no no no no………..
I can NOT begin to tell you how much full of wrongness and badness I think that sentence is.
I feel so strongly that repressing yourself is never good, and can never be good. It can be convenient, sure (for other people), and it can be a way to stay safe, ok.
But good? No way.
Please please please, try not to ever learn to make any parts of you shut up, no matter who tells you that parts of you don’t deserve to be heard, or even exist.
All of your parts are important and always deserve to be heard and considered. If they are repressed, they tend to grow into something which cannot be contained, and they jump out at inopportune, unrelated moments and can interfere with normal human interactions. Devastating’s description of her anger is a case in point.
Devastating, please, listen to your anger. Find out what she wants to tell you. I promise you, whatever your anger is trying to tell you, it will be important. Your anger may feel dangerous, but she won’t hurt you. She is hurting. And she is you.
Pay attention to where you feel your anger in your body. Respond to her, listen to her. You can get some cheap coffe mugs and then go smash them safely somewhere. You can let her scream into pillows, and/or beat the shit out of pillows, and lots of other things.
When you’re feeling angry, stop and think for a minute. What are you feeling angry about? What does this situation remind you of which triggered your anger? What is your anger really responding to?
Find out exactly what it is you’re angry about, which is triggered by other, more mundane things, and not caused by them.
If this message gets through to even one person, I will feel that my life has not been in vain, and I will be able to die peacefully.
Seriously.
Ok, I’m done now.
Best regards,
Lubyanka.
I posted about something that happened this evening that relates to my Mistress’s anger. It might read a little vague, because I tried to spend most of it analyzing my reactions and problems and not comment on my Mistress’s. But I did note something about how she acted, because I’m under orders to write this comment, and so I wanted to tie it in with this post.
Since I do my best to interpret people’s writing sympathetically and try to reconcile each other’s ideas with my own, my two cents is that while Lady Lubyanka is absolutely correct, utterly correct, Richard is also correct in that it’s not appropriate for my Mistress to immediately express her anger TO ME in a destructive way. Part of this relationship means that I cultivate an extremely thin skin when it comes to correction and my Mistress’s displeasure. If her displeasure is chaotic and unpredictable, I will either go nuts, or need to distance myself.
Ideally, I’d like a dominant to be in such excellent control of their feelings that they are aware of their anger as it develops, can then process it and determine where the fault lies, and then deliver it to me appropriately in the form of a productive and corrective punishment.
I have more thoughts on this, but that’s about as much as I can handle writing publicly right now.
For me, it’s not a question (generally) of feeling anger come upon me like a wave and then trying to beat it back and supress it lest it destroy everything. That would be an improvement in clarity over what I do feel.
Sometimes, like last night, I become aware that I’m angry, but also know that commenting on it is pointless. What good is berating someone who already knows he made mistakes? It’s punishing.
I’m starting to feel right now like I’m going to be in trouble no matter what I write, so I’ll stop.
You both might get pissed off at me for adding my two cents concerning your relationship. This is done because I really feel for what you are going thru. We are wrestling with many of the same problems. They manifest somewhat differently but they seem to be somehow familiar. This is offered in a spirit of radical honesty and with the best of intentions.
“Part of this relationship means that I cultivate an extremely thin skin when it comes to correction and my Mistress’s displeasure.”
An alternative would be to cultivate an attitude of humility. Putting your ego to the side and focusing your intelligence upon how you can best serve her, appears to me to be a better ideal for a sub to cultivate. A humble sub realizes that his Mistress is not perfect, that she can be “overly” emotional on occassion, sometimes even frequently, and that he can serve her well on these ocassions by forgetting what he wants and focusing on how he can comfort and support her and even accept her as she is rather than as he may want her to be.
Now it is clear that you do provide that comfort and support but you seem to extract an emotional price before providing it, at least on some ocassions. You express anger or rejection, she starts to cry, you comfort her. If you could go straight to the comfort and support without passing through the anger and crying, she might perceive you as a better sub, better able to satisfy her needs.
It just seems to me that a sub has no right to cultivate a thin skin when it comes to correction. Humility and gratitude are more appropriate. Try thanking her when she tells you her expectations, thank her when she tells you how well you are meeting her expectations. Afterall, she is making the effort to help you become a better sub; one that pleases her more. Isn’t that what it is all about.
“I’d like a dominant to … determine where the fault lies, and then deliver it to me appropriately in the form of a productive and corrective punishment.”
This strikes me as a little too “do me”.
I have a responsibility to use my initiative to become a better sub for my Mistress; she helps me become a better sub but I don’t expect her to transform me or to get me off by punishing me. She does have a responsibility to express her expectations and to provide me with feed back on how well I meet her expectations. I am not a mind reader.
But she can not transform me into a better sub, only I can transform myself into a better sub. The more submissive I am, the more dominant she becomes. The more dominant she is, the more submissive I become. This ia a win - win.
I willingly help her to help me become more submissive. I don’t always wait for her feedback. As soon as I realize that I am not living according to her expectations, I confess to her. I describe how I have failed to meet her expectations, humbly apologize for my failure, beg her to forgive me, beg her to discipline me, and suggest ways that I can change my behavior so that it is more inline with her expectations.
If she does not forgive me, then I repeat this cycle over and over until she is satisfied that I am sincerely contrite and that I fully understand how I have failed her, she agrees that my suggested behavior changes are likely to enable me to meet her expectations going forward. and she is willing to forgive me. Just because I apologize humbly does not mean that she has to forgive me. I have to earn her forgiveness; she is under no obligation to forgive me no matter how many times I beg for her forgiveness.
When I confess, I stand at attention with my hands behind my back and my legs spread. She wants me to look her in the eye while I confess. She can lecture me, slap me, or just listen as I apologize until she is satisfied. She might have me stand in the corner, she might lay me over the bed and beat me, or a more creative punishment crafted to the offense is possible.
I also record my confession in “My Book of Confessions”. It can provide great insight into problems and also how our relationship is transforming over time. It also helps me to have a record of the behavior changes which I have committed to over time. It is an excellent record of how she expects me to behave.
Two days after she has forgiven me, I repeat the cycle again by reading the entry in my “Book of Confessions”. If she retains any resentment, this provides her with the opportunity to get over it. She gets to reassess my sincerity and to take a second look at whether she is satisfied with my punishment. It also gives me another opportunity to acknowlege how I failed her and to confirm my committment to the behavior changes which we both agreed would help me to meet her expectations.
Sometimes we make adjustments to the expected behavior changes. Sometimes smaller changes stand a better chance of bringing success. Every change, no matter how small is a step in the right direction and it is cumulative over time.
When I am apologizing, I am not allowed to make excuses for my poor behavior; I am not allowed to describe the ways in which she might have contributed to the problem; I am not allowed to suggest ways in which she could behave differently to avoid the problem. This entire exercise is focused on my behavior and how I am going to change it to bring it more in line with her expectations.
After she has forgiven me, I can beg her for permission to speak freely. When I beg, I acknowledge her right to grant or deny my request. If she agrees, then I am allowed to describe how she contributed to the problem (in my opinion) and to make suggestions about what she could do differently to help me behave as she expects me to. Typically this is limited to encouraging her to express her expectations and to providing me with feedback on how well I am pleasing her.
If I do not understand her expectations then it is my responsibility to ask her to clarify her expectations. If I do not know how to meet her expectations, it is not acceptable to ignore them. It is up to me to seek clarification so that I will be able to please her.
A humble sub forgets about his needs and desires and focuses on her needs and desires. I trust her to take good care of me. My Mistress expects me to reveal my needs and desires to her by begging. She expects me to reveal myself to her completely. Her expectation is radical honesty but with my expression taking into account the effect which it can have on her. I hvae to beg for her permission before I am allowed to discuss a sensitive topic with her. If she is felling vulnerable, she has the option of postponing it to a later time.
I am not allowed any privacy so that I am more vulnerable to her and more easy to dominate.
I am very lucky that she has accepted my offer of submission to her on her terms. She is a wonderful loving generous person who takes a great deal of interest in my welfare. She wants me to be happy and to enjoy my life of submission to her. She wants me to focus on pleasing her and to trust that she will take good care of me. She can also be insecure and cry. She also provides me with emotional support when I am in need. By the way she is also sadistic
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